check list for buying

Two Bears

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Has anyone put together a check list for buying a used c-dory 22 cruiser? After 20+ years of sailing I just sold my trailerable sailboat and am thinking about the 22 cruiser. What do I need to look for when inspecting a used boat? When I bought my last sailboat I had a check list for that boat and it really helped. I've watched this web site for a while and know just enough to be dangerous.

Does anyone rent a C dory on the west coast? My wife and I would like to spend a night or two on one before we take the plunge and buy. I've looked at several rental outfits in Puget Sound and their boats are quite a bit bigger. I live in northern Idaho and will be traveling to Calif in Feb/March, and/ or Puget Sound is just a day away.
Chuck Raddon, Orofino, ID - raddon@verizon.net
 
Hi Chuck,
Welcome to the site. You may be able to find some kind C-Brat's willing to offer a ride, but probably not a two night adventure :)

I put together just such a list here:

http://www.commercialcaptains.com/marine_articles

Choose the link titled "Pre-purchase Inspection for Brand New Boats".

Though not specific to the C-22, it very much applies to new or used boats. Part of the process is to come to a site such as ours and put together a list (do a search) on common problem areas. Examples are items screwed into the cored floor without sealant (fuel tank straps, bilge pumps, etc.), water leaking behind the brass bow guard, etc. The C-22 owners will have more specific input to be sure.

Good luck with your search! There are many fine C-22's for sale right on this site.
 
the book by Richard Cook called cruising in a big way was helpful to me it cover some of those point in it. Richard told me about this web site. I was thinking about a bigger boat and leaving it in a slip he Suggested to look at the cdory. Good book for small boat cruising.
 
Chuck,

If you would like to go for a ride, let me know and I'll meet you in Orofino and we can run up to Dwhorshak or put in at Lewiston and run down the Snake River. I've been looking for an excuse. PM me and I'll give you our phone number. Ken
 
The boat for rent, c-salt, is set up nice. even has a downrigger if you want to fish. I meet the owners last summer. Nice people. I have seen it on the water several times when rented.
 
I also saw the boat a couple of years back in Friday Harbor. I had just towed Tortuga from Ventura, and we were enjoying a great trip when I lost a bearing on the old 2 stroke 70 HP on our way from Victoria to Roche. So, there I was, with a boat and no motor, 1300 miles from home, looking at this beautiful (and working) 22. But, my wife wouldn't let me charter her. She did, however, let me repower with a new Yamaha 90 and we towed Tortuga back up this last summer for a do-over. It would have been a lot cheaper to have chartered C-Salt for a couple of days!
 
Not that it matters a whole lot but the actual name of the charter C-Dory 22' is Salty. We saw her at Deer Harbor last summer for a couple of days. Whoever chartered her did not sleep on the boat.

We also see her moored at the Cap Sante Marina in Anacortes.

Peter
 
timflan":3h1xfpub said:
Jazzmanic":3h1xfpub said:
Not that it matters a whole lot but the actual name of the charter C-Dory 22' is Salty.
Yeah, well C-Salt is a better name! :-)

Can't imagine who would ever name a boat C-Salt?

Must be a Salty old due himself, no?

Any old time C-Brats got any ideas?

Maybe we need to rekindle some ol' Dusty relationships!

Joe. :teeth :thup
 
Hello All!! Hope to see some of you at the upcoming SBS CBGT!

Anyway, I read thru Captain Matt's "Pre Purchase Inspection for New Boats" and I saw the following statement:

NEVER switch the battery selector switch while the engines are running!

I had never heard this before (not that there is lots of other things I am not aware of also!).... I have indeed switched the battery selector many times w/ the engines running.

What is the danger of such a practice?

Tanks for your insights on this subject.

Take care,
Dan
 
ddenver":7dopb9k1 said:
Hello All!! Hope to see some of you at the upcoming SBS CBGT!

Anyway, I read thru Captain Matt's "Pre Purchase Inspection for New Boats" and I saw the following statement:

NEVER switch the battery selector switch while the engines are running!

I had never heard this before (not that there is lots of other things I am not aware of also!).... I have indeed switched the battery selector many times w/ the engines running.

What is the danger of such a practice?

Tanks for your insights on this subject.

Take care,
Dan

Hi Dan.
There are some battery selector systems that can be switched while the engine is running, but most cannot and switching while the engine is running can burn out your alternator.

(My Tomcat manual warns of the same. I'm not sure if this is also listed in the manuals of other models).
 
With our single engine, we switch (NOT through OFF) from one battery bank to the other all the time with no problem.

The problem is that if your alternator is charging and you suddenly disconnect it from the batteries/load, you may blow diodes in the alternator.

Most (all reputable?) 1-BOTH-2-OFF battery selector switches are "make before break", meaning that the new contact is established before the old one is disconnected.

Assuming your alternator is connected to the common terminal on the switch, and the switch changes only which batteries are connected, if you switch from 1 to BOTH to 2, or vice-versa, you're OK.

On the other hand, if you switch through OFF you may blow diodes in the alternator.

The situation may be different with twins, depending on how they're wired. I don't have that experience.
 
Your description was much better than mine Richard. I should have been more precise about 'switching' vs. 'switching through the Off' position.

Here is another reference (BoatDigest.com "Twelve-Volt Basics")

>>In any case, a modern replacement switch should include an alternator field disconnect switch. This is important. You should never disconnect (turn OFF) a battery switch while the associated alternator is running. To do so can fry the alternator’s diodes—an expensive inconvenience. Old switches carried an embossed warning against moving the switch to the OFF position while its charging engine was operating. Newer models of switches have terminals for alternator field disconnect leads. As you turn the knob from ON toward OFF, the device first opens the alternator field circuit and then opens the main circuit. That way the alternator stops charging before the battery goes off line.<<

My intent in the article was to prevent an "oops" moment in the event the selector switch did not have alternator field disconnect leads.
 
Thanks for this clarification, guys. I was told (don't know where, don't know when) that it was fine to switch among 1-both-2 while the engine's running, but NOT OK to switch into OFF. But until now, I never knew for sure why this was the case.
 
Wantabe and I talked on the phone last night. We have plans to get together and do a show me with our boat. Does anybody have any advice I can pass on to him, before he and his wife "set into motion a series of events that will rapidly escalate beyond their control"?. You know, the "C-Dory Addiction"!
 
Check list on buying a C Dory:
C Dories are simple boats with simple systems and are well built. Generally a boat which has been used, will have had any problems repaired.

But here is where I start.

Look at the gel coat: Is it chaulky--and if so, bring along a little rubbing compound and see if you can restore it. The dark colors fade and are harder to restore. Look for repairs or missmatched gel coat.

Look for dings and scratches, especially which go thru the gel coat, exposing glass fibers. Look for wear patterns on the keel or bow, where the boat has been hit aginst a trailer frame or beached.

Look for stress cracks or crazing. Many are superficial, but if you can get a knife blade into the crack, it may be more of a problem.

Most hulls are ok, but it is best to tap with a phenolic hammer on the inside and outside of the bottom. You are looking for a dull thud, rather than a crips ring when tapping. The thud suggests core water intrustion or delamination.

Look around the dept sounder transducer, any holes in the transom and trim tabs for any water intrustion. (the holes should have been sealed with epxoy before rebedding, but many boats didn't have this done, and it needs to be done now. Check the drain plug.

Put the outboard up to the trailer position. Put your full weight on the lower leg and see if the transom flexes. If so, it is suspect.

Look for cracks around the splash well, especially in the 25's--2002 thru 2005 vintage. Cracks just aft of the cabin on the gunnel are common and rarely a problem, same with the corners of the cockpit. Look at any scuppers.

Look around any screws into the bottom of the boat in the cocpit for water intrustion (tank hold down or plastic trims hold down). Look at the brass strip foreward and see if any leakage around it. Look at the anchor well, and look to see if the bottom is well sealed.

Look for cracks around the bottom of the V Berth and under the portipotty, also water in this area. Look for stains of water coming down form the rub rails. Most C Dories have the hull to deck joint glassed over, and it is very strong, but look at it for pulling away of the rub rail or intrustion of metal into the inside.

The Wallas stove, should start prompty. Check water and bilge pumps. Look at water hoses for both a screen filter, and to see if any discoloration. Look at the way that the furniture (Decaboard or plywood) is held to the hull and if any separation. Same for the V Berth tabbing and andy tabbing of the aft cabin to the cockpit or cabin house.

Check all insturments for operation, Check all light bulbs, all systems (bilge pumps, water pumps, head etc).

Check conddition of upholustry. Look at camper back covers for chafe, for fit and finish, for seams where the thread has let go. Look at the clean vinly to be sure that it is clean and not crazed or hazzy. Check the windows and windshiled for leaks. Be sure the wipers work. Check all instruments.oth

Take the boat for a ride. It should not purpose (ride up and down, in smooth water--that suggests a hook in the bottom from improper storage.
See at what speed it planes, how level it runs, what the Wide open throttle RPM is and how easy the boat gets on a plane.

If a 4 stroke engine do an oil analysis. Both the engine and lower unit. Do compression and leak down checks. Be sure that oiling systems on older Evinrudes and Johnsons work properly. Be sure that early Hondas start easily.

Check battery voltage, both at rest, with lights on, and with engine running. Check wire terminals for proper fusing and proper covers to avoid arcing. look for corrosion. Be sure that there is no significant voltage drop between the battery and the console.

Check the foam for mildew, for spring and comfort. Look for dampness and mildew on the sides of the hull, lines and fenders.

Check the anchor, anchor chain, rode and roller. If a Windlass does it work> Is it properly fused? Have the seller demonistrate how every system on the boat works.

Check the steering, the wheel should move easily and the boat should track without any pull to any one direction. The boat should steer easily without undue heel. There may be a slight list, depending on where gear is stowed. Be sure that all deck cleats, and eyes are secure, and they should be thru bolted and backed with backing plates or at least fender washers.

That's enough off the top of my head right now. Maybe I'll think of something else.

Bob Austin
 
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